After having a browse of this Wikia, I've noticed that it contains certain homebrew rules presented as if they are official. I'm not against homebrew at all, I just think that it would be best if it was clearly labeled as such to avoid confusion. I've also seen 'may be taken with GM approval' used alongside homebrew species, when that isn't a rule in any of the books.
To give a specific example, the Classes page prresents two classes based on previous editions of the game as being 'cut classes' that were almost published. Looking at the writeups given for these classes it is clear that the're not unpublished draft versions as they have access to talents and feats that only exist in the later books.
Again I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with designing new classes, I just think that it's misleading not to inform people when things aren't official.
The majority of non-official content is filed under an "Additional Additional" heading, to separate it from official content. The Technician and Force Prodigy classes, as well as the Devaronian Species are the only exceptions to this rule, as they were intended to be official content, but were cut due to a lack of space.
Do you have a source for that? It really doesn't look official to me in the slightest.
I know Devaronians were cut for space, but they later appeared in the rules anyway in the Legacy Era book. There is no indication in any of the web supplements that these classes were cut for space.
Tech Specialist was turned into a Feat and its remaining functionality made a part of Scoundrel (see the web enhancement for this). The Web Enhancement does state that the feat and talent tree were cut for space. There is no 'Technician' class named anywhere.
Force Adept was replaced with the rules allowing any class to be Force Sensitive, and the 'default' Force Adept was stated in the official conversion guide to be represented by a Force Sensitive Scout. There is no reason for an additional class to cover something that exists already.
Again, both of these 'cut classes' namedrop characters that didn't exist until years after the end of the Saga line.
In addition, the talent trees the Technician has access to both don't appear in the core book and come from prestige classes which have deliberately better talents than base classes.
Regardless of whether these classes were originally going to be in the game (which I still debate), they were not and no official rules were ever given for them.
I apologize that I can't explain in a better way, those two Classes were cut from the rulebook, and were later released on the WotC Star Wars forums. Those forums have since been shut down, and while I am the primary editor on this Wikia, those classes have exited on this site since before I joined. I apologize if you find the answer unsatisfactory, but unless someone restores the forums disclosing these classes, I would prefer to leave them alone.
You haven't responded to any of the evidence I have presented that these classes aren't official.
Here's some more.
Every base class by design has at least a +1 to Reflex defence. Not so for these two.
No base class has more than +2 to any defence. Again, not so for these.
Jedi, the most prominent Force Users shown, don't automatically start with Force Training. This was a design choice so that a level 1 character couldn't have two Force Trainings at 1st level.
Were you a member of these forums? And so do you have any citations whatsoever to back up your claims?
If citations cannot be provided for a page on a wiki of any sort then it throws the validity of the entire wiki into question.
If you want more information on these classes, you can look at any of the forums below: reddit.com/r/SagaEdition/comments/4qb5f5/looking_for_force_prodigy_and_tech_specialist, thesagacontinues.createaforum.com/the-senate-8/force-prodigy/msg26798/#msg26798, d20radio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14679, holonet.swrpgnetwork.com/archive/index.php/t-488371.html
Thank you for proving me right.
The links mention 'Tao' as the creator of the Technician class and the following:
Shows that this person's full name is Matthew "Tao" Myers.
It also explicitly says that the class is 'fanmade'.
If you look through the credits of the Saga Sourcebooks (as I have), which are located after the title page of each book, you will see that this 'Matthew Myers' wasn't a part of the development team on any of the books.
This categorically proves that the classes are not official.
"Let me explain. . . Wait, there is no time. Let me sum up." -- Inigo Montoya
WOTC had 3 version of Star Wars RPG. The first two, OCR and RCR, were reskins of D&D 3.0 and 3.5 mechanics and used material from West End Games as a source.
The Saga Edition mechanics were based on an early version of 4th edition D&D. Before the SE Core Rules was published, the authors showed how the 3.5 classes might look under SE, including fringer, force adept, tech specialist, and the two Jedi classes.
Rodney Thompson and some of the other authors felt they needed to simplify the game to get it down to a more "movie" feel and less of a "crunchy D&D reskin feel" (paraphrasing there, but that was the gist). For the final version, they merged the two jedi classes together, gave fringer abilities to the scout as talent trees, moved Force Adept into a prestige class, and dropped tech specialist because they felt not enough people would be into crafting and fixing things. Not many missed the fringer and consensus was that merging the Jedi classes was a good idea. . . but some fans (and even authors) felt they went too far with tech specialist and force adept.
We had the WEG templates that were the source, we had OCR and RCR d20 Star Wars rules, we had the promotional Saga beta versions posted, and we saw how they had merged/cut fringer and the Jedi classes, so WizO Tau and I, pretty much independently, felt like we could do a good job of recreating Saga versions of those two classes. We were forum moderators, so up they went on the WOTC board and they turned out to be popular, thanks to the SE authors (especially Gary Sarli) providing input on cut talent trees. Parts of the classes later appeared in the form of Web Enhancements, which in turn made it into future books as feats and talent trees for other classes.
WOTC lost the license and the boards went down. WizO-Tau and I revised them and they lived on saga-edition.net for a while before that went down too. When we saw this wiki was started, I talked about it with Wiz-O and we decided to dust off the .txt files, update them a little, and post them here.
So yes, they DID exist in previous published versions of the WOTC d20 Star Wars, yes they were based on WEG templates, yes they were going to be in Saga before it was decided to trim classes down to only 5, and yes they were re-constructed using talent trees from other classes that were cut from Core but later featured as web enhancements and then as content in other books in the system.
I hope that clears up any confusion.
What do you think?